and, jen, in the washington post today charles krauthammer talking about how president obama has successfully been neutering republican members of the house. again, from your insiders' perspective, is that you guys talk about in secret meetings? how to neuter those on the right? >> look, i don't think it's possible to neuter the right. so i don't think that's the goal. look, i will say because i want to touch on something you were just talking about. in that this is not -- if i were advising the republicans, i would say this is not about tactics or poll tested talking points. this is about what is your agenda? do you support equal pay for women? do you support comprehensive immigration reform? so it's -- i think within the democratic party, it's hard to understand why they keep having meetings about their tactics when really they need to take a look at how they're not identifying with or relating to the demographics of the country. >> hey, thomas, can i say real quick to jen on that point. you're absolutely right. and if you disagree with the things that jen just outlined there as is part of